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Vaccination update
« on: December 13, 2011, 02:14:06 AM »


Today we took Katie (dog) and Misty to the vets for booster and vacc. 

I had decided after the first vacc scare with little Misty to push for split vacc, however didn't need to as the vet suggested it herself. Today she got the cat flu and Parvovirus jabs and next week she will get the leukaemia vacc plus it is a different manufacturer.

So far so good, shes been snuggling into my throat most of the night  ive stayed on the alert as these little kittens can fall so fast. 

Katie (dog) was a bit sleepy after her booster but came round again at bedtime. She hasnt been eating (renal disease) so got Zantec off the vet & last night managed to get a jar of baby food spoon fed to her. Mindy kitten sat on my knee wanting to take the food from the jar, refused it off the spoon, she wanted in tRhe jar - shes only 6 months :)

I got the impression the Vets were non too pleased by what had happened to Misty or the drug companies reaction
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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 08:18:47 AM »

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I got the impression the Vets were non too pleased by what had happened to Misty or the drug companies reaction


I am sure that is very true!!! I can't imagine they would be happy about it.  Nobody WANTS to lose other peoples (or their own) pets.  They likely pulled the remaining doses they had from that manufacturer (whatever they gave Misty) and sent it back.  Better to be safe than sorry.  I'm glad she's doing better with the split vac.  Such a relief!!!

Poor Katie!!! Didn't know she had renal disease!! Are you giving her fluids or anything?  How old is she?  Is she at least maintaining her weight? 
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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 06:11:44 PM »

Katie is on a renal diet - Hills K/D plus a phosphate binder called Rubenal. It's the nature of this awful disease that they feel sick a lot of the time and don't want to eat and thus lose weight. She ate today but I suspect that was the Zantec.  The kidneys can't filter out the toxins that build up in the body and therefore that is where it all goes wrong :(. She was 7 at end of Sept.
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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 06:21:08 PM »

I have been down this road before.  Are you administering sub-q fluids?

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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2011, 08:19:15 PM »

No Mark, what are they, does the vet prescribe them?
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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2011, 09:35:57 PM »

Sub-q or subcutaneous fluids is a treatment method for chronic renal failure (CRF).  It is commonly used in this side of the pond to treat cats suffering. 

Cat's kidneys operate differently than most other mammals.  Cats create very concentrated urine (as desert creatures, they are biased to preserve water).  In CRF, cats can't concentrate the urine, and the toxins build up in the system.

By administering fluids, you allow the cat to create large amounts of dilute urine, and the toxins are washed out of the system.

Sub-q means that the fluids are administered under the skin, not directly in a vein.  It is something you can do at home.  In my case, Evan was receiving 150ML of fluids a day.  The fluids are normal IV fluids - however, I purchased them at a vet mail order supply house (along with the needles, tubing, etc) to do the job. 

Now, from what I know, UK vets tend not to prescribe this treatment.  Over here, it is quite common, and I know that both Margaret and Michelle have done sub-q for their cats.

Here is a link I used when Evan was diagnosed with CRF:  http://www.felinecrf.com/

Here is more information on administering fluids to a cat:  http://www.felinecrf.com/managb.htm

Here is Evan's story:  http://www.tuxedocatwebs.com/wvcatsforum/index.php/topic,545.0.html

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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2011, 02:30:41 AM »


Ah right, yes i have read about that. Katie is our little Boxer dog, i say little as for a Boxer she is very fine boned & small, hard to visualise unless you see her beside another Boxer. These smaller bi*ches do crop up now & then within the breed.

The vet has never mentioned fluids so perhaps she is okay that way? As a trial they started her off on Rubenal in Sep & her creatine which has always been massively OTT has come down, still far too high however the Rubenal has definitely helped. She is supposed to take 2 a day however it made her very sick so we cut down to 1 a day, half in morning & half at night. This she can tolerate

Of the 4 stages of renal failure, she is in stage 3. She was just turned 6 when diagnosed at beginning of last year when we moved & changed vets. The new vets wanted to investigate why she kept having repeated bloody cystitis with some, but not always, 'leaking'. The latter is unfortunately a dide effect from the renal problem. She has meds which help that

We took part in a genetic survey as within the breed there exists a renal problem. At first they were not going to involve her as in most cases the dogs rarely lived past 18 months with many dying before 12 months :(. However they then came across other Boxers who like Katie have lived beyond expectation. We didnt have to take part - it involved bloodwork, as our vet pointed out , it wont help Katie, however we felt if it helped identify the gene responsible, thus it could save future boxers/owner going through this wretched illness, & then it would be worth it. 

The one thing they have discovered is that its more prevelent in females which our vet says could indicate that the bi*ches are the carriers. 

Before we went to these vets the other vets used to just test her urine & more often than not it would be diluted - dogs (some?) appear to drink copiously - her fluid intake over past year or so from introduction of renal diet & now Rubenal has been within normal limits

From we got cats its something we have been aware of - after reading about how fluid intake or lack if it, can be a problem with some cats. This is main reason why we feed the cats half wet & half dry food. Vets always push for dry feeding - just agree with them :) our cats / kittens do drink water so hopefully it wont be a problem for them.

Do cats feel cold if they are in renal failure? Katie gets very cold - Boxers have thin close short coats so perhaps that doesnt help. At night after the central heating has gone off, i put a knitted dog jumper on her which appears to have helped & keep her more comfortable. 

I  know that can be a thyroid effect however i have had her thyroid levels checked & they were normal

Sorry for the long post, unless you have had a pet affected by renal disease you can feel a bit isolated at times




 

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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2011, 08:12:47 AM »

Well.... dogs DO drink more water than cats so that may be why you don't need to give fluids (as well as since they were not prescribed as you do need a prescription to buy the stuff).  At least you have that on your side..... wet food rather than dry food is probably helpful too if you are feeding her that.  (Add a bit of water if you are just for "extra" fluids)

I do not recall that either Muffin or Leo were "cold" during their renal issues.  Muffin did lose a LOT of weight very quickly and went downhill VERY quickly... it was quite shocking actually and took me several weeks to get over the shock after she passed and then a few months to realize it was not my fault and that I had done all I could.  Muffin was a long haired cat, Leo is a short haired cat (who seem to be back to "normal" now with no renal issues at this time).  With cats - just fyi - renal issues tend to also have thyroid issues attached to them.  Not sure about dogs but if she is cold, it could be related to the thyroid.  (We're actually checking that in ME right now via blood work as I am having body temperature issues and thyroid problems run in my family.)

I hope Katie does well and I know she is lucky to have you to watch over her.  It certainly appears you are doing absolutely everything you can think of to help her and that is WONDERFUL!!! She is truly loved!  :staff_thumbyello2lt:
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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2011, 08:37:58 PM »

I am glad that the vet had already planned on dividing the vaccines to help avoid a problem, and that the feline leukemia vaccine will be from a different manufacturer.  So happy to hear that so far, Misty is fine.  After the upcoming feline leukemia booster vaccine, if Misty will be indoor only, or only allowed out in a cat enclosure that no stray cats can get into, you might consider not having her have that vaccine anymore.

I am sorry about your dog having renal failure.
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Re: Vaccination update
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2011, 09:51:20 PM »

I am glad that the vet had already planned on dividing the vaccines to help avoid a problem, and that the feline leukemia vaccine will be from a different manufacturer.  So happy to hear that so far, Misty is fine.  After the upcoming feline leukemia booster vaccine, if Misty will be indoor only, or only allowed out in a cat enclosure that no stray cats can get into, you might consider not having her have that vaccine anymore.

I am sorry about your dog having renal failure.

Do you think that the leukaemia vacc may be the one that Timmy reacts so badly to? I wondered about that myself, they are leaving it to the end to administer the vaccine on its own so that there is only it in her system & is it one that is known can or could cause sensitivity.?

I will ask the vet about it on Monday as if it's not essential, for their lifestyle, as you said, why the necessity to get it at all - thank you for that


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